AMAZING

wow, they're all so different!

The albino's really neat, though.

Wow absolutely awesome!

I hope I can get more pictures of this baby.

Oh my gosh! That green one looks like it is smiling,. Thanks for posting!

What breeder is this out of?

Wow...I wouldn't mind having all 3 of them..they are so cute..

I was not given the breeder's name. Apparently they wish the remain anonymous. I'm just glad I was able to get my hands on a picture.

Hmmmmmmm that's kinda odd...lol Albino Quakers aren't that rare anymore. I mean they are more rare then the Lutinos, but lots of breeders are getting Albino Quakers. It's the dark-eyed white Quakers that are very rare.

With the white quaker, the dark eyes aren't really dark like many people believe. They are a darker color of red, more of a plum red. If I had any of the rare colors I would keep my mouth shut too. There are too many thieves out there!

What? Really? How does that work? I mean the whole idea of a dark-eyed bird is that the melanin remains intact in the eyes which gives us the dark-eyed birds. For the red-eyed birds, the melanin is suppressed, which is why you get the red-eyes.

For most birds, when they are babies, the red-eyes are very apparent because they are so young, but as they grow, the red becomes more of a ruby colour and they are harder to see. But with dark-eyed babies, they have the dark eyes, no red to be seen at all (even in the stage before their eyes open).

I'm a huge fan of genetics and I'd love to see some reading material on this. Do you have any links to a website that has the information on it?

I don't have any reading material on this specifically as the white quaker (darker or light red eyes) is very rare. I have spoken to breeders of the white quaker. The eyes are not black or dark as many believe. They are a plum color. They appear to be dark but if you flash light on the it is apparent that the eyes are a dark plum red. The whites and albinos are still very rare. I can't seem to find anyone who has bred an albino quaker. If you have pictures or websites that I have missed PLEASE post them. I wonder how many are out there that no one is aware of. To think it is possible to produce a Violet Quaker. I wonder if anyone had produced one of those. That would be awesome.

http://www.quakerman.com/white.php

We've just recently talked about this one..

http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/feature..._179123051.html


Newel Bench has also produced albinos and whites: http://www.rarequaker.com/

Actually, I'm gonna send him an email cause I bet he'd know all about the dark-eyed Quakers

Newell Bench purchased his lutino quaker and has not produced albinos. He has produced the American White Blue which is white with blue tint, not an albino. Everyone knows about the quakerman and his birds. I have seen those. I just know b/c I am very good friends with many exotic parrot breeders.

Wow, that is an awesome sight! Hopefully more photos will be available in the near future.

Me too It's wonderful, isn't it?

Strange what you say about Newell Bench though. I must of misunderstood a previous conversation. Ah well, one more thing to check out

oh!!its so beautyful!!i want one myself!

They aren't very easy to come by. I hear lutinos are going to become very popular and available with in the next few years.

cool

what is lutinos ??

The yellow quaker in the pic is a Lutino Quaker - They are a bright yellow with red eyes. The person who breed these is lucky to get a lutino and a albino.

Man, I've wanted a lutino pair for a while now!!! They are just absolutely gorgeous!!! I have my two blue pairs and would love to add some lutinos as well! I was in contact with a breeder of lots of different mutations about two years ago and he was selling the lutino babies for about 3,000 each! He said he'd make me a "deal" and set me up a young pair (one visual, one split) for $5,000!!! Needless to say, i can't really afford that. But maybe someday....

So anyone know of any cheaper priced lutinos???

WOW! that was neat.

They do look cool. They say they look better in person. They are so expensive. I looked into buying one - $4000.

oh i see!..wish theye wernt so expensive!..and you can imagine here we will have them in many many years!...and petshops here dont really have quakers at all..

As with most once they start producing more and more of them the prices will drop.

It's a zombie Quaker, lol.

beautiful!!

Any luck getting information Carrie-Anne??

Getting there!! I've email about 5 or 6 breeders. One of them is going to call me tonight, another one said that dark-eyeds are dark-eyeds, no red at all. And another one said that she took her 3 week old Blue Quaker out into the sun and his eyes had a reddish tinge to it...which makes NO sense to me, as it is a Blue Quaker! Besides, it can be tricky to check by the sunlight as if the light hits it wrong, it will give a false red (all eyes will, human too).

Maybe she has a cinn blue. A true cinn. blue has red eyes. Dark eyes are dark eyes, LOL, in the case of the white quaker the eyes are a dark red, more like a ruby red. I received more pictures of the Albino. He/She has bright red eyes.

Judging by the fact that not many breeders have, have seen or have bred a white quaker, I think it is going to be hard to get information on them.

Alright, now you have me totally confused...

You said:




and...



But now you're saying that It doesn't make sense....lol

A dark eyed bird is a dark eyed bird. A dark-eyed White Quaker has dark eyes. Why would there be any difference between a dark-eyed white (which you are saying has ruby eyes)and a dark-eyed yellow (which has black/brown eyes)? There shouldn't be.

Have you seen a picture of an albino adult Quaker? I'm betting that that bird would have the ruby/plum eyes. When red-eyed birds are young (from hatching to usually around 6 weeks), their eyes are bright red. Very bright red. But as they grow older the eyes darken. Could it be that this Albino Quaker you're talking about has such red eyes because it is just a baby? I bet, as it grows older, the eyes won't be as red...they will darker a bit, to a ruby/plum colour.

As for finding white/albino Quaker breeders, I'm not looking for any. I'm looking for Quaker breeders who know their stuff about genetics. Genetics applies to all mutations of Quakers and the rules are stead-fast...no exceptions. You can always explain what is going on with mutations via genetics.

I didn't mean to confuse you LOL. It was more of a joke as in you would think that when someone is saying dark eyes, they are in fact dark eyes.

The albino quaker is a young baby. I am judging by the pictures I have seen. No clue if its eyes will turn a dark red. Genetics are gentics but when you have someone telling you dark eyes are dark eyes but they really are a dark plum that's another story. Genetics can explain For instance you have the people who purchased the white quaker. The media and everyone else said it was dark eyed. Those who seen it are saying it is a dark plum red. Is a dark plum red what they consider to be dark eyes or are we interpreting dark eyes as the color eyes we see one our blue and green quaker parrots?

That leads me to this, if in fact an Albino's eyes does turn a dark plum red as it ages, how can anyone truly tell the difference of a mature Albino and a mature dark eye white quaker? I really don't expect you to answer all these. I am not claiming to know it all or anything. I think it very interesting the things going on with these little guys.

It's all making sense now...lol




Good point. This will be one of the questions that I'll be asking the breeder who calls me tonight.



Actually, I do know a little bit about this. The answer to your question is that you can't...well, I should say you can, but it is very tricky.

The same problem arises in Cockatiels. Red eyed birds are often Lutinos, Fallows, Recessive Silvers and Whiteface Lutinos. Now the problem lies when it comes to the Clear Pieds. They look exactly like a Lutino or Whiteface Lutino, but without the red eyes. They have black eyes.

On babies, it's apparent, because their eyes are bright red, but as they grow older, the eyes darken and they appear to be black. On adults you can check with lighting (like a flashlight), but you have to be careful because if you shine the light in the wrong way you'll get the false red (which happens when the light bounces off the retinal blood vessels). The best way to tell is by way of breeding...lol I had one lady contact me wondering why in the world her Lutino pair was producing Normal Greys. My answer was because the male is NOT a Lutino! LOL It was a Clear Pied.

well all i have to say is....

carrie~anne, when you talk to the breeder please, please explain it like you would to someone who has no idea what ya'll are talking about (ME!!! lol)

pictures of the difference would be awesome but i guess if you had pictures the debate would be over?

LOL you bet...and sorry. I get into 'genetics' mode and it's like my brain is a sponge. I wanna soak it all in, but I want the correct information



Well, see that's the thing. Even a picture might not be accurate if we're talking about the same thing. Any bird's eye can go red from using the flash...same as with humans. Doesn't mean they have red eyes, it's the light reflecting off the retinal blood vessels in our eyes.

And if Albino/White Quakers are anything like Lutino Cockatiels (or Whiteface Lutinos which are the all white bird like Gizmo's Julie), then as an adult, you can't tell just by looking at them cause they look black.

Here is my Lutino, she has red eyes, but you would never know it:

Looking forward to seeing what they have to say! Its hard because when "rare" mutation come about many breeders won't tell anyone about it. When I first saw the first lutino blue and gold macaws, I was amazed.

WOW!!! I just had the coolest conversation!! I finally managed to speak with Bob Nelson (he was suppose to call me the other night, and he tried, but in my excitement to give him my phone number I mistyped it ).

Anyways, according to Bob, and I have to say I do not doubt his word at all, a dark eyed Quaker is a dark eyed Quaker. A dark eyed White Quaker has dark eyes...just as any other dark eyed Quaker would. Simple as that

He was a lovely fellow and I could of spent all night talking to him and listening to his stories. We talked for almost an hour and he gave me SO much information, I swear my head is gonna split...lol

The really cool thing is is that he and I share the same opinions on breeding. How refreshing that is. He gave me some advice and recommendations and left the door open to contact him at any time.

I must say this has been an interesting thread to follow. I love learning about new things.

Was curious if anyone had found out the name of the breeder or their location? I wonder if it's near here.

Well I'd have to agree Carrie~Anne! If anyone knows then Bob Nelson would know... actually from that first picture I figured those might be Bob Nelson's birds... I'm assuming they aren't though.

I'm still madly in love with his grey mutation quakers...

For those that have never heard of Bob Nelson - he's a fairly well known breeder of Quakers with interesting colour mutations... search Grey Mutation Quaker on the boards here or try google and you might be lucky enough to find a picture of his birds. He was also either the first or one of the first to breed a lutino (yellow) quaker.

Hey Carrie~Anne - any chance the conversation strayed into the personality traits of the different colours? Does he notice any difference between the standard greens and the various mutations?

I can't remember if he said he was the first to breed the Lutino, but he was the first to breed the Albino. We talked in great depth about that.

We didn't talk about the personality differences, but we did talk about health. He refuses to breed two blues or two red eyed birds together. He is much like me in that sense We talked about how breeding two Blues or two red eyed birds is ruining the genetic pool. Creating a lot of small, unhealthy birds.

We talked a lot about how many of the 'newer' breeders are in it for the immediate profit and how they don't stop and think about what will happen to the health of mutations down the line.

He told me an interesting story of the guy in Florida who got the first Lutino Cockatiels in from Europe and how, at that time, there were NO bald spots. This fellow managed to successfully breed many Lutinos with no bald spots. It wasn't until the fellow started selling off his breeding stock that the baldness trait started to show up because people were breeding two Lutinos together.

We spoke a lot about line breeding and inbreeding and the differences there. And how inbreeding (and interesting enough he mentioned a well known breeder who does way too much inbreeding to try to produce new mutations) is, again, ruining the gene pool.

It was such an enjoyable conversation, one that I am not soon going to forget

That's awesome! Thanks for giving us the information.

In your conversation with him, does he sell his lutinos or albinos?

I didn't ask him that, actually. So I'm really not sure if he does or not.

wow nice picture

i didn't realize they could come in yellow or white- i thought only blue and green.... it's amazing what breeders can do when they start messing around with the different genes...

Interesting discussion.

Our Kaylee is a dark-eyed cinnamon blue.

Not sure if anyone mentioned this or not, but what about Tom Nemevorsky? He's a breeder out of Florida ( I think ). I ran across his website right when I got Khirsah. I think I have in my favs still...He's got some beautiful white ones!!

I used to belong to Tom's mailing list and left it. I just do not agree with his way of breeding/raising birds. Sure he's had some great mutations, but at a very high cost.

Is it the situation the birds are in and/or How they are taking care of?

I'm going by my personal opinion of what I've read from Tom, as well as what I've been told by other breeders. I have no personal experience seeing his flock or his set up, as such, I prefer not to go into details on the forum.