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birdmom4
A friend called me last weekend and asked me if i would take in a bird that some people had, they were moving and couldn't or didn't want to take her with them. i said what kind of bird,and she didn't know (she is not a bird person at all lol) i was thinkin tiel or parakeet, or if i was lucky maybe a QP, oh no, look what they delivered to me Sunday, told them i would foster if they like, but i don't think i will hear from them again, they only had her 2 months, the little boy with them said "If u take her I get a pool" WHAT IS UP WITH THAT???
Some people, I know virtually nothing about her except She is scared had no toys, and they brought a bag of Parrott seed that was gotten at Walmart, so any suggestions would be so helpful. At this moment she is out on top of her cage playing and chewing on some wooden toys that i got her

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Julies Jungle
absolutley beautiful.....
kate
My suggestion would be GIVE HER TO ME!!!!!. My gosh..how lucky can ya get. I wish that would happen to me. Best of luck with your new baby. Do you know anything about her or him..age..etc....??? OH MY> wub.gif
Andie's Mom
Wow...

Have you ever had a Macaw before? Any idea of how old she is? I looked but couldn't see a band on her leg from the photo's does she have one? PLEASE let her have one.... wink.gif


Well, Macaws need more than a seed diet. They need nuts and fruits and veggies and BIG wooden toys to destroy. They require a diet higher in fat from nuts and big seeds that most other birds do Almonds, walnuts, brazil nuts mine aren't too keen on hazel nuts and they LOVE banana's (at least mine do)

I feed a good pellet, and I feed a Macaw mix of seed and dried fruits and nuts I like Volkman Macaw, And then I also feed fresh fruits and veggies, beans, pasta etc.

Don't let the beak intimidate you...and she will if she can, so while you have her in a honeymoon period, hold her close to your body so she can't strike easily and start playing with her beak. Get used to the idea that yes, you are going to get bitten, usually they give small warning pinch bites unless they are really upset then they do a crushing bite. Remember to push up into the bite toward the back of their head and into the corners of her beak. they can't get as much leverage when you do that, Calm deep voice not loud, "No biting"

I know you're thinking, Ya right...calm voice uh huh... The macaws I have responde much better to calm deep toned voices when your correcting them than they do loud high pitch, that only excites them more. Plus if you can control their upper mandible they will calm down.

Have you heard about the "strike zone" before, every bird has one its the distance they can reach on a lunge, SO if you keep them farther away from you than their strike zone they can't bite you or if you keep them much closer than their strike zone they are less apt to get you as well.

Macaws kind of have to rare back and raise their beak in order to strike to they basically telegraph what they are going to do. Plus they'll pin their eyes.

I have a method that a couple of my mentors showed me for picking up or asking a macaw or any other bird for that matter that you don't know well to save you from getting some real severe bites. Its not to say that it won't still hurt, but they can't get ahold of as much meat by doing it this way.

Hold your arm out with your palm down, make a fist and keep your thumb tucked tight against your fingers. Watch what that does to your arm tissue and muscles it should make everything get tight or tighter. Less easy to get a good bite of. Move in from underneath and put your arm up against thier chest right at the leg, and push up and give the step up command. Keep your arm so your palm is facing down, because if you rotate your arm it exposes softer tissue and changes the tone of the muscle giving them more area to connect with if they choose to bite. I immediately pull them in close to my body and keep them below my chin. Strike zone is now closed considerably. Plus you have clothes that they can grab rather than skin.

Remember calm deeper toned voice. And don't allow it up on your shoulder until you are sure it will step up every single time you ask it to and you can trust them.

Others may have more to contribute and different methods to handle them, but this works for me. Once you have your "bluff" in and they realize that you aren't afraid of their beak, they usually behave themselves quite well.

You're going to love having a blue and gold they have great personalities and they love to play and they really do have a sense of humor once they bond with you. And it can be a slow process for them to bond with you...I got my Bailey when she was 18 years old, She tested me on many occasions but when she realized that I'd just take the bite and keep going, she basically just quit. She'll still give me little nips once in a while to let me know she's in a bad mood or just is tired or doesn't particularly want to do what I asked, but generally she'll go ahead and do what I ask. But even though she'd allow me to hold her and pet her and do tricks with her, she didn't show her true personality. In a relaxed body posture etc. for about 6 months Then she started wanting to snuggle and she'd tickle me with her beak and tongue and let me know she wants to play etc. Now when we play tickle she initiates it and then she'll tell me tickle tickle. And then laugh.


So don't rush and don't get discouraged Macaws or at least a lot of Macaws are slow to trust.


And you'll find that they really like you to play with their beaks once they trust you and you trust them.
kate
Did they leave you that cage too? She looks soooo nice and in perfect feather..something you might not have expected coming from a place that obviously didnt want her. I sure wish i were in your shoes.
birdmom4
QUOTE (Andie's Mom @ Jun 13 2008, 04:46 PM) *
Wow...

Have you ever had a Macaw before? Any idea of how old she is? I looked but couldn't see a band on her leg from the photo's does she have one? PLEASE let her have one.... wink.gif


Well, Macaws need more than a seed diet. They need nuts and fruits and veggies and BIG wooden toys to destroy. They require a diet higher in fat from nuts and big seeds that most other birds do Almonds, walnuts, brazil nuts mine aren't too keen on hazel nuts and they LOVE banana's (at least mine do)

I feed a good pellet, and I feed a Macaw mix of seed and dried fruits and nuts I like Volkman Macaw, And then I also feed fresh fruits and veggies, beans, pasta etc.

Don't let the beak intimidate you...and she will if she can, so while you have her in a honeymoon period, hold her close to your body so she can't strike easily and start playing with her beak. Get used to the idea that yes, you are going to get bitten, usually they give small warning pinch bites unless they are really upset then they do a crushing bite. Remember to push up into the bite toward the back of their head and into the corners of her beak. they can't get as much leverage when you do that, Calm deep voice not loud, "No biting"

I know you're thinking, Ya right...calm voice uh huh... The macaws I have responde much better to calm deep toned voices when your correcting them than they do loud high pitch, that only excites them more. Plus if you can control their upper mandible they will calm down.

Have you heard about the "strike zone" before, every bird has one its the distance they can reach on a lunge, SO if you keep them farther away from you than their strike zone they can't bite you or if you keep them much closer than their strike zone they are less apt to get you as well.

Macaws kind of have to rare back and raise their beak in order to strike to they basically telegraph what they are going to do. Plus they'll pin their eyes.

I have a method that a couple of my mentors showed me for picking up or asking a macaw or any other bird for that matter that you don't know well to save you from getting some real severe bites. Its not to say that it won't still hurt, but they can't get ahold of as much meat by doing it this way.

Hold your arm out with your palm down, make a fist and keep your thumb tucked tight against your fingers. Watch what that does to your arm tissue and muscles it should make everything get tight or tighter. Less easy to get a good bite of. Move in from underneath and put your arm up against thier chest right at the leg, and push up and give the step up command. Keep your arm so your palm is facing down, because if you rotate your arm it exposes softer tissue and changes the tone of the muscle giving them more area to connect with if they choose to bite. I immediately pull them in close to my body and keep them below my chin. Strike zone is now closed considerably. Plus you have clothes that they can grab rather than skin.

Remember calm deeper toned voice. And don't allow it up on your shoulder until you are sure it will step up every single time you ask it to and you can trust them.

Others may have more to contribute and different methods to handle them, but this works for me. Once you have your "bluff" in and they realize that you aren't afraid of their beak, they usually behave themselves quite well.

You're going to love having a blue and gold they have great personalities and they love to play and they really do have a sense of humor once they bond with you. And it can be a slow process for them to bond with you...I got my Bailey when she was 18 years old, She tested me on many occasions but when she realized that I'd just take the bite and keep going, she basically just quit. She'll still give me little nips once in a while to let me know she's in a bad mood or just is tired or doesn't particularly want to do what I asked, but generally she'll go ahead and do what I ask. But even though she'd allow me to hold her and pet her and do tricks with her, she didn't show her true personality. In a relaxed body posture etc. for about 6 months Then she started wanting to snuggle and she'd tickle me with her beak and tongue and let me know she wants to play etc. Now when we play tickle she initiates it and then she'll tell me tickle tickle. And then laugh.


So don't rush and don't get discouraged Macaws or at least a lot of Macaws are slow to trust.


And you'll find that they really like you to play with their beaks once they trust you and you trust them.


Thank you so much Andie's Mom
I just found out about half hour ago, they got her from a small town pet store not far from me, she is DNA female and is 4 years old, a baby really, but no band, also found out she was smitten with the man more than the woman, so will she ever get to like me, she has tried to get her bluff in on me by lunging but hasn't connected yet lol, i just feel so bad for her to be in pet store however long and then to bond with someone only to be given away, how can some people be so cruel
Way2Bizzy
HEy- don't give up that quickly-- she absolutely may bond to you even if she preferred the man in the house before. She's likely to bond most with whoever shows her they're worth her trust. What a beauty- I'm so happy for you!!
I hope you'll keep us posted and provide lots of pics along the way smile.gif
NCVon
All I can say is echo the others WOW!!! That is amazing! At least they gave her to someone who will love her and give her a good home. Congrats! Did they atleast tell you her name?
birdmom4
QUOTE (kate @ Jun 13 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Did they leave you that cage too? She looks soooo nice and in perfect feather..something you might not have expected coming from a place that obviously didnt want her. I sure wish i were in your shoes.

Kate, They brought the cage but I don't like it, I immediately got on ebay and found one for a Macaw, this cage is terrible, it had dried poop over an inch thick and several rust spots as well, i don't want her in that, i can't get all the poop off even with a heavy duty scraper
Frankie's Mom
OMG SUSAN!

Gee ... umm ... okay. smile.gif Looks as if you have your hands full, my friend!

Please email Rowena at stonewest02@aol.com. That is who I go to with challenges ... and she has macaw experience, and she lives fairly near to you in Mascoutah. Give me a call and let me know how it is going. I will help as much as I can!

HUGS
birdmom4
QUOTE (NCVon @ Jun 13 2008, 05:31 PM) *
All I can say is echo the others WOW!!! That is amazing! At least they gave her to someone who will love her and give her a good home. Congrats! Did they atleast tell you her name?


Thanks Von, I am still reeling had no idea what they were bringing, they told me her name is Simba, she acts like she doesn't like me but if i leave the room she sreams really loud and today started saying what right after she screams, maybe because that is what i would ask her after she screamed lol
OneWingBrokenAngel
You can mail her to me! She is so pretty and congrats!
Dark Angel
gypsygal taught me her trick for handling new big birds and that was to wear a thick hoodie sometimes even doubling up if needed. It really saves the arms from big bites and I use it all the time at the shelter. It also dont make their talons so painful when they are perched on your arm too!

what a beautiful bird tho wowowowowowowow


QTQP4me
wow what a surprise! are you gonna keep her or just foster temporarily? i'm glad you had the heart to take her in. and now the little kid can get his pool rolleyes.gif

sound like a win win situation all the way around really. and thankfully they had enough sense to know to let her go to someone who would appreciate her. now, if you know anyone else who wants to just donate a macaw... smile.gif

kris
bird-man-iac
WOWSIE WOWSIE WOW very beautiful... If that ever happened to me i would just sit down and cry ... Because i would not be able to keep it ... i have a lot of birds and no more room ..... WOW WOW WOW Have fun with her or him lol
birdmom4
QUOTE (Frankie's Mom @ Jun 13 2008, 05:50 PM) *
OMG SUSAN!

Gee ... umm ... okay. smile.gif Looks as if you have your hands full, my friend!

Please email Rowena at stonewest02@aol.com. That is who I go to with challenges ... and she has macaw experience, and she lives fairly near to you in Mascoutah. Give me a call and let me know how it is going. I will help as much as I can!

HUGS


Thank you Joni, I'll do that and i will be given u a call. You know me the biggest parrot i have been around is Miss Mya lol
Bye the way she is doin great eatin more different things pasta fruit and some veggies, even tasted birdie bread Yay, and to get my attention she has taken to makin a yelping sound like one of my dogs does when it wants my attention, after she does she goes ha ha, i just love that little green fluff ball
kate
QUOTE (bird-man-iac @ Jun 13 2008, 07:03 PM) *
WOWSIE WOWSIE WOW very beautiful... If that ever happened to me i would just sit down and cry ... Because i would not be able to keep it ... i have a lot of birds and no more room ..... WOW WOW WOW Have fun with her or him lol

BUT... you could take it and bring it to me Birdman. biggrin.gif
Cheekys mum
What a beautiful challenge you have wow WOW!! Thats Awesome and Im so glad YOU got her! Yes!! laugh.gif
birdmom4
Thanks everyone, kinda feels like i hit the lotto, i just want to do right by her, i don't know if i could have the heart to give her up, she may not like me, but thats ok i am already in love with her, was the moment they walked thru the door with her, i do know she likes men cause my dad came over while ago to see her and it was so cute, she was flirting with him turning her head and lookin at him upside down and sayin Hi Hi HI Simba, I have had her 5 days, so that isn't near enough time for her to get used to me and the rest of the flock noise here, as for men she will just have to start likin me cause the only males here are birds and dogs lol

So Simba its you and me kid
Esther C
I think you have won the lotto. How lucky to get a beautiful Macaw like that given to you. He is gorgeous. I hope all works out for you and you can keep him.
Dark Angel
She is def beautiful. I know you can do it and you def will get alot of help from ppl on the forum as well as Rowena as joni suggested. Use it use it use it! I say this because I was in a similar not idential situation as you with an umbrella cockatoo and I had only intended to foster. That first night i sat there looking at this incredable humongous bird and thinking what the H have I gotten myself into? Yet as time went on and the adjustment period passed she just clicked in with my house and I am honored to have her permanantly now. I did use alot of help from forums and I am forever indebted to people like andies mom and kathyc for giving me the confidence and helping me thru those first weeks so that it really has been a positive experience for me and I have had abby now for over a year and never have regrets or second thoughts about it.
I also know from seeing all the fantastic stuff you have did for mya and how wonderful the rest of your flock is that simba is def in good hands!
Hugs
IMPy
Quincy's Slave
Oh my! I would loved to have seen your face when Simba came through the door for the first time laugh.gif She is beautiful and I'm sure she'll be in love with you in no time at all
Andrea5699
Wow.. Havn't been on much the last couple of days and this happens? Congrats!!! She is absolutely beautiful! Your gonna do great with hher!

What a lovely miracle to have dropped at your door!!! Enjoy and keep us updated!!!

More pics too please!!!!
birdmom4
QUOTE (Dark Angel @ Jun 13 2008, 11:10 PM) *
She is def beautiful. I know you can do it and you def will get alot of help from ppl on the forum as well as Rowena as joni suggested. Use it use it use it! I say this because I was in a similar not idential situation as you with an umbrella cockatoo and I had only intended to foster. That first night i sat there looking at this incredable humongous bird and thinking what the H have I gotten myself into? Yet as time went on and the adjustment period passed she just clicked in with my house and I am honored to have her permanantly now. I did use alot of help from forums and I am forever indebted to people like andies mom and kathyc for giving me the confidence and helping me thru those first weeks so that it really has been a positive experience for me and I have had abby now for over a year and never have regrets or second thoughts about it.
I also know from seeing all the fantastic stuff you have did for mya and how wonderful the rest of your flock is that simba is def in good hands!
Hugs
IMPy



THanks for the confidence Impy, I do love my fids, I just felt so bad for her when the guy left, she just paced back and forth, her eyes looked so sad, I know sometimes fids get rehomed, but for the right reasons not because your tired of them, these ppl had her for 2 months not even enough time really for her to completely settle in and she is uprooted to somewhere else, No my mind is made up, like me or not Simba stays here
Reds Parront
What a GIANT surprise, lol. Well, Birdman, we are in the same boat, it seems. I just took on a foster GW Macaw, and we're probably going to adopt him. I think the biggest surprise to me so far is the amount of time he takes. Red (my QP) just likes to hang out on her playstand, and snuggles occasionally, but Ferris (the GW) always wants something. Whether it's treats (he loves pineapple and snap peas) or he wants to move between his playstand and his cage. He squawks SO loud when someone leaves the room or opens the front door. The rescue was teaching him to use his bell instead of squawking, and that seems to deter him at times.

He's a character, and I'm completely smitten. Good luck with your new baby, and heed Andie's Mom's advice about the way to pick her up, it does make a difference! One thing that the rescue taught me was that Ferris is not allowed to leave his cage unless he steps up and we move him wherever he wants to go. That prevents him from climbing out everytime the cage door opens and crawling to the top where it's much more difficult to get him down. Ferris is dowel trained, so thankfully he isn't afraid of a big dowel coming at him, and he steps onto it immediately if he's ever in a biting sort of mood.

I've only had him for a couple weeks, but I'm learning more and more everyday. Good luck!!!

Oh, and here's Ferris!
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Nikki-n-Shane
Wow isnt she just gorgous!!! Congrats on your new addition (and I thought I was lucky when we won Spree in a raffle!)

She is just lovely! Welcome to our flock Simba wub.gif
Peppe
Wow what a beautiful bird! I love the name Simba. You are so brave to take her in and care for her, best of luck. I am sure there are lots of folks on this forum with lots of experience and great advice for you. Julie
Civchic
Lucky lucky you! I ended up with my parrotlet under similar circumstances (sort of - he was dumped at the animal control and the girl I know there called me because they are NOT set up for tiny birds) - but a MACAW?! Cool!

One of my husbands' colleagues just inherited their daughters' blue and gold because she did not take kindly (at all) to the new baby. I get to hear stories all the time about this silly bird, so I think you're very lucky.
Casey's Mom
Wow, that's crazy! Lucky you! biggrin.gif Good luck with Simba, I hope it all works out with him! smile.gif
Jamie
Bribary is always an option! laugh.gif

I've let people "bribe" Captain into liking them before... like my former roommate. She got bit a couple of times and was upset that Captain didn't like her much. I got together all of Captain's favorite treats and told my roommate to give Captain some treats throughout the day and sure enough, in about a week Captain was stepping up and had stopped biting.

Keep after it and I'm sure your new addition will start to like you smile.gif

Congratulations on your new friend! I'm not sure I could handle such a big beak but there is SOOOOO much help on these boards for all species of birds I'm sure you'll do awesome.
Frankie's Mom
QUOTE (birdmom4 @ Jun 13 2008, 06:05 PM) *
Thank you Joni, I'll do that and i will be given u a call. You know me the biggest parrot i have been around is Miss Mya lol
Bye the way she is doin great eatin more different things pasta fruit and some veggies, even tasted birdie bread Yay, and to get my attention she has taken to makin a yelping sound like one of my dogs does when it wants my attention, after she does she goes ha ha, i just love that little green fluff ball


I know you love Miss Mya, and all of your fids! I also know that Miss Simba will have worked her magic into your heart in no time! The offer stands ... feel free to call ANYTIME. I PM'd you my number in case you needed it.

Make friends with the guys who cut wood at the hardware store and ask them to save you the untreated pine scraps. I find a plate of cookies does wonders to have them acquiesce! wink.gif This will save you bunches of money on chewies for this big girl.

She is one lucky fiddo to have landed with you! wub.gif
birdmom4
QUOTE (Frankie's Mom @ Jun 18 2008, 09:43 AM) *
I know you love Miss Mya, and all of your fids! I also know that Miss Simba will have worked her magic into your heart in no time! The offer stands ... feel free to call ANYTIME. I PM'd you my number in case you needed it.

Make friends with the guys who cut wood at the hardware store and ask them to save you the untreated pine scraps. I find a plate of cookies does wonders to have them acquiesce! wink.gif This will save you bunches of money on chewies for this big girl.

She is one lucky fiddo to have landed with you! wub.gif

Thanks Joni, I didn't get your PM though, I was hopin to find out if you could make toys for Macaws out of pieces of wood cause my Dad wants to make her some but i think he has Oak or Hickory, is untreated pine all you can use?

P.S. Simba likes me better now, i got her out of that small cage and put her in a bigger one with a playtop, her tail feathers don't drag on bottom now,I know she will come around, and i am very patient. She really watches what i am doin lol

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Frankie's Mom
I bet Simba is loving the new cage! I'll resend the PM with my number for you.

Here is a link to a site that lists safe woods:

http://www.mdvaden.com/bird_page.shtml
kate
What dimensions is Simbas new cage? Looks fairly roomy. And look at the pic on the wall. I have that pic. Old home interior products. laugh.gif Dad and Little Henry, or something like that.
birdmom4
QUOTE (kate @ Jun 18 2008, 06:10 PM) *
What dimensions is Simbas new cage? Looks fairly roomy. And look at the pic on the wall. I have that pic. Old home interior products. laugh.gif Dad and Little Henry, or something like that.


LOL Kate, old old home interior, yep thats Dad and Little Henry, Got Simba's cage off ebay its 40x30x50 inside, i like it cause now her tail feathers don't drag the bottom or come near it when she is on perch
gypsygal
Just because Simba bonded to a male in her previous home does not mean she can't or won't bond to you.It just may take a little extra work.My 4 yr old greenwings were both hand raised from males Never having any contact with females at all until I adopted them..I was their first experience with women.Sebastion really din't trust me at all at first, but we overcame that and now you can hear him yelling "MOM" from next door LOL Give her time but don't give up smile.gif
jujusaffiemom
congrats you lucky duck!!!!at least she found a bird lover to lover her!!!!
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