Hi all. My eckie, Solomon has polyurea. I feed him the best diet I can and, after lots of vet and expert advice was hoping he'd come right with supplements and care but he's not getting better. Anyone know any reason for it or any good dietry supplements/food he can take to get better or has anyone had a similar problem? He drops these copiously wet puddles everywhere. It's terrible. He's not in any obvious pain and he's not fluffed up or quiet so he's likely not suffering, although, as we know it's hard to tell. Urine is okay, no ketones or blood. No skin rash or parasites. Vet's taking bloods tomorrow. Could be his liver, they think. I don't have an avian vet here so they're looking stuff up right left and centre. God I hope they are okay with the bloods. I'm really worried. He'll have to go under gas. Anyone had this happen?

Joseph, sending special prayers and thoughts for your Eckie!

Oh goodness Joseph, my thoughts are certainly with you on this...I know how you feel when your sweet little feathered friend isn't doing well....

Sorry, I don't have any answers for you but do hope you can get some information that will aid in getting your baby well....I haven't heard of this polyurea;there are so many diseases that can attack our birdies....Right now I'm waiting on blood work they did on Harley last Friday for an enlarged liver.....
Maybe it is the diet we have them on, I don't know, but I do hope someone can soon help you, so keep checking back Joseph....
Wishing you and your eckie the very best....Keep in touch....

Joseph, here are a couple of sites that talk about it...

You've most likely already read them but there's good info in the first one for everyone to read.

http://books.google.com/books?id=6nngRlwIl...result#PPA27,M1


Heres a cut and paste from another site... http://www.holisticbird.org/pages/hdiseaselist.htm

Polyurea - increased water in droppings. can be caused by diabetes, increased water consumption, or consuming large amounts of juicy fruits.


Has your eckie had this problem since you acquired it or has it just recently come on?

Hi Julie, polyurea is just Poly (multiple) and urea (wee). It's a generic term used to describe the symptoms of anyone with abnormal levels of wee. Solomon leaves big wet puddles everywhere. I've had to stop putting him to bed in his usual hut as it is soaking the next morning. There isn't enough of that white stuff you see in the poo (urates) and sometimes there is no poo at all, just a big puddle of gooey water.

Thanks for the websites, Andie's Mom. I'll check them out. He's always been a bit sloppy-poo but I was told they were like that because they were fruit eaters. I've had him checked out over and over and noone was that fussed about it seeing he looked so shiny and bright. I've never been fully happy with it, though. Lately it's got worse - enough for me to get someone to notice. To be fair, it's a different vet I'm with now so they may not have made me wait for so long.

Here are another couple of links...
Hope all go`s well and you find something possitve from the tests ..
Buddy was under for an xray and no problems, I am sure your little guy will do fine...

http://www.cockatiels.org/articles/Diseases/polyoma.HTML
http://www.funnyfarmexotics.com/IAS/polyoma.htm

My eclectus poop is more watery than the other birds but not like you describe. This had always been normal for him. If you are giving him an abundance of fruit then i would cut back on that. I dont know where you found that they are fruit eaters. Ive never seen that anywhere. At least not any more so than any bird for a healthy diet. I hope he gets better.

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Im so sorry to read this post. I hope that you can get help for him. Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.

So sorry your Eckie is having troubles.. i'm sure its a comfort to know that the vets you have realise they need expert advice and are trying to get the best help available! I'm sure they'll be able to fix the problem! *Hugs*

any updates?

Just checking for any news too.. Hope all is o.k...

You are all so sweet with your support. I feel very lucky to know you guys and can't imagine how lonely I would otherwise be. Here's a sorta update. Sol had his blood test today and it went really well and easy. He was fine when I picked him up if a little more cuddly than usual and really wanted to stay with me. He's eating well and doing his quirky little talking episodes which are really cute. Apart from the huge wet puddles he doesn't look like there's anything wrong. He's having everything tested as this is what they do here. Also there is another sample going up to Sydney for a lead tox screen. It's not likely but it's worth checking as polyurea is a symptom.

I asked the vet what we do after the bloods came back and what if they did show kidney or liver disease and she sort of went quiet and then said, "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now let's just wait and see what the results show". Hmm. That made me a bit anxious, but I'm just leaving that aside for now as there isn't anything else to do but just what I have been doing. I should know on Monday - or Sunday for some. I'll definitely let you all know.

Cheers,

J.

I hate the WAITING....Keeping your Eckie in my thoughts , stay positive at least he is in good condition and not acting sick , thats got to be good... (HUGS)...Have a good Friday ..

What a worrying time for you, here's hoping for some good news on monday, Solomon is such a neat looking bird fingers crossed for you both.

Thinking of you and Sol Joseph....I'm still waiting also for blood results....but we'll make it.....just keep thinking positive and that whatever is troubling Sol can be fixed very easily....I hope my situation is the same.....
Will check in at a later time.....Hang loose Solomon and hang in there Joseph....

I just read this thread and I'm really sorry to hear that Solomon isn't well...hugs to both of you, I hope the bloods give an indication of what's wrong and how it can be fixed. We're thinking of you, hugs to you both

I hope Solomon gets better. Have you gotten the results yet?

Hello Everyone!

Just got the results from Solomon's blood test. It's a bit vague so it's not a nice and neat all packaged condition.

OK. He tested negative for renal or liver disease. BUT his blood amylase was very high which means it could be anything. High amylase is indicative of problems with liver, kidneys, pancreas, heart or bone. It's more likely to be kidneys with Sol. I have to wait and watch him to see if there are any changes and he might have to have another blood test then to compare them.

Possible Renal gout which means x-rays to tell for sure. They can't even rule out atypical PBFD.

So, that's it in a nutshell. Not great but not bad.

Thanks to everyone for your interest and concern. I'll keep you posted when there is more to talk about.

Mmmmmmmmmmm sounds confusing to me , did they offer any tonic or foods that might be of help..?? I hope he continues to remain well and the watery poop eases...

Yikes---Poor Sol....thanks for the update Joseph....
Still praying for the little guy and hope all will be well.....

Hi. I'm brand new on this site, so please forgive any rookie mistakes.

I read your post because I've just added a female Solomon Island (maybe) Eclectus to my flock which is a TAG, QP and teil. Wanted to find info on my new baby.

Reading your symptoms, I am very reminded of a teil that I had with diabetes. Most especially the wet droppings. We didn't realize that she had it until she developed an ongoing sore on her foot. It took a couple of blood tests before she had a cooperative flare up in her sugar levels. And that time was a whooper.

She was at that time about 16 years old. I just couldn't see putting her through daily & rigorous blood testing & shots. It seemed cruel under the circumstances. So, I did some research & found that they are very much like humans with diabetes. I opted to start with diet & exercise to counter. She lived happily another four years and, at twenty was considered to have died of old age.

I'm afraid her diet became very restricted. She was living almost exclusively on Roudybush & the very occasional grass seed head (grown in a chemically-free environment). Her foot healed. Her energy level rose in about 2 weeks and her plumage improved. Neither of which had been a problem, but they were beneficial side effects of correcting the big issue. Her sugar levels maintained at acceptably stable levels until the last couple of months.

During this time, her entirely healthy mate was obviously forced to live on this diet as well. He too, showed the same changes. He's still here at 26+ years old & he thinks he's going to live forever. I sometimes wonder if that was a contributing factor to his longevity. But, I did return him to a normal diet when she was gone.

If you go to the Roudybush site, you can get info as to which diet might be good to try. Their pellets are also color-free, which is something I've heard is suggested for Eclectus as they can be sensitive about that. You and your vet might find something there to help, no matter what the problem ultimately turns out to be.

I've found birds often respond best to an abnormal diet under abnormal conditions. It doesn't matter if they are breeding, moulting, stressed or ill. The building blocks for body chemistry starts with food consumption. If there's a change in what the body is doing, there's a change in what the body uses. A normal, healthy diet tries to cover it all, but sometimes it just doesn't.

Hope this helps. I know what this is like for you & I do wish you & Solomon well.

Oh my! I hope we will soon be hearing a good report. It looks like they would start him on some low dose of detox. That's CAN'T hurt and just might start the healing process while they are searching for a cause.

I wish there was a way for all of us to help but all we can do is keep you and him in out thoughts and prayers and that's what we'll be doing .

Hi there, I know it's been a while but there really has been nothing to report. Hi "Birdhouse". Solomon has been tested for ketones in his wee and thankfully there is no indication of diabetes which is what I suspected first off. Rowdybush is not available in Australia but I've recently found a source of Harrisons which I have ordered for a try. He can't take many pellets as they are often high in vitamins and minerals and, as Eckies have a long digestive tract (thanks for the info!)they can get sick from vitamin overload. So I have to be really careful what sort of pellets to give him.

My report is there is nothing to report. Solomon is looking quite good at the moment having come through a rather protracted moult. He is eating well. I've stopped giving him grapes (thanks for the advice!) and also I've stopped giving him vitamins and instead, I have been giving him natural food supplements, organic produce and quinoa. He's eating very well but, unfortunately, those big wet splodges aren't any better.

On the 14th he goes back in for an x-ray to determine if there are any uric-acid deposits on his liver, kidney or pancreas indicating visceral gout. They will also take his bloods again so they don't have to put him to sleep again in the future. I'll let you know how he goes with the x-ray. Thanks everyone for checking in.

Joseph - Many of us have been concerned. Thanks for the update! The fact that Solomon is eating well and behaving normaly is encouraging! Hopefully all this is just fine tuning his diet!
New QP Dad